RE: *Updated*: FpML-IRD BRL CDI - Brazil Business Day definition

["Guy Gurden" <guy.gurden@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Yes I agree with this suggestion below. I will raise a request on the FpML issues list to have this new code created.

I also got independent confirmation from Katherine Tew Darras at ISDA and Leslie Payton Jacobs at EMTA that my interpretation of the ISDA/EMTA best practice was correct (see below)

Guy

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From: Katherine Tew Darras [mailto:KDarras@xxxxxxxx] 
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Subject: RE: BRL CDI - Brazil Business Day definition

We confirm your understanding.

Regards,
Katherine

Katherine Darras |   General Counsel, Americas International Swaps and Derivatives Association, Inc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Gurden [mailto:guy.gurden@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:15 PM
To: Katherine Tew Darras; lpjacobs@xxxxxxxx
Subject: FW: BRL CDI - Brazil Business Day definition

Katherine/Leslie,

Before the FpML Working Group endorses the proposal I've outlined below I just wanted to double check with you both that I've understood the intent behind the definition for the Brazil Business Day correctly. My interpretation of the definition:

"Brazil Business Day means a business day in any of Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro or Brasilia not otherwise declared as a financial market holiday by the BM&F."

is that it only needs to be a good business day in any one of the 3 centres (and additionally not otherwise a declared holiday by the BM&F) in order to count as a good Brazil Business Day as opposed to needing to be a good business day in ALL 3 centres.

Please could you confirm my understanding is correct.

Thanks
Guy


 

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Subject: RE: *Updated*: FpML-IRD BRL CDI - Brazil Business Day definition

Guy,
Do you agree with the suggestion below?  Would the next step be to request the creation of this new BRBD value for the business center scheme?

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Subject: *Updated*: FpML-IRD BRL CDI - Brazil Business Day definition

Hello all, 

One correction on the below statement, the union of the respective holiday calendars would be the following:
			
	Sao Paulo "OR" Rio de Janeiro "OR" Brasilia 

Regards,
-Ray Lebron


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Subject: RE: FpML-IRD BRL CDI - Brazil Business Day definition

Guy,
We liaised with our Sao Paulo and New York documentation teams involved in this business today and concluded that your proposal for creating a Brazil Business Day that would be the union of Sao Paulo AND Rio de Janeiro AND Brasilia makes a lot of sense.  Those teams confirm that they are not aware of a trading practice in the OTC space that references only one of those cities for fixing purposes.
We then recommend that we go ahead and create such new business center as part of the FpML scheme.

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Subject: FpML-IRD BRL CDI - Brazil Business Day definition

Pierre,

I'd appreciate your views on a related BRL CDI question and its impact on how we represent these trades in FpML

Per the EMTA/ISDA Market Practice statement http://www.isda.org/publications/pdf/SwapsCDsMP1.pdf the definition of a Brazil Business Day is very specific and defined as follows:

Brazil Business Day means a business day in any of Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro or Brasilia not otherwise declared as a financial market holiday by the BM&F.

The point to note is that it's a business day in any of Sao Paulo OR Rio de Janeiro OR Brasilia rather than it needing to be a business day in ALL 3 financial centres. Typically when we represent a collection of business centre codes in FpML it's assumed that it must be business day in all the listed centres.

Additionally, the relevant cities for Business Day for BRL/USD Valuation Dates for these BRL CDI trades is defined as Brazil Business Day AND New York

So my question is whether you think we should create a specific FpML business centre scheme code to signify Brazil Business Day rather than just list the existing 3 centres, i.e. 

The following really means Sao Paulo AND Rio de Janeiro AND Brasilia:

<businessCenters>
  <businessCenter>BRSP</businessCenter>
  <businessCenter>BRRJ</businessCenter>
  <businessCenter>BRBR</businessCenter>
</businessCenters>

and similarly the following means Sao Paulo AND Rio de Janeiro AND Brasilia AND New York:

<businessCenters>
  <businessCenter>BRSP</businessCenter>
  <businessCenter>BRRJ</businessCenter>
  <businessCenter>BRBR</businessCenter>
  <businessCenter>USNY</businessCenter>
</businessCenters>

whereas potentially what we want is something like:

<businessCenters>
  <businessCenter>BRBD</businessCenter>
  <businessCenter>USNY</businessCenter>
</businessCenters>

where BRBD means Brazil Business Day and would be defined in FpML per the market practice statement above. This additionally would allow the reference to '...not otherwise declared as a financial market holiday by the BM&F' to be included too in the definition.

We already have precedents in the business centre coding scheme for non-cities, for example, the codes EUTA (Target Busines Day), NYFD (New York Fed Business Day), NYSE (New York Stock Exchange Business Day), USGS (US Govt Secs Business Day) and ESAS (ESAS Settlement Day) have all been created to specifically to mimic similar ISDA definitions.

I would appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks
Guy


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As a follow-up from this past meeting, here Dan Ruperto's feedback on the 2 follow-up items that we had:

1. Brazil CDI template is a work-in-progress. EMTA has not set any date for it's publication as of yet. As soon as I know, I'll forward it on.

2. CONFIRMED: In practice, the certain date for the Valuation (Fixing) Date for CDI Swaps will be 1 business day before the "Termination Date"
(not settlement date) for a Bullet (single Calculation Period) Swap. The Settlement Date for these Bullets will be two NY days following the Valuation Date (as to be in-sync with NDF Fixing and Settlement).

UNCONFIRMED (but proposed): the certain date for the Valuation (Fixing) Date for CDI Swaps will be 1 business day before the each "Period End Date" (not each payment date) for multiple Calculation Period Swaps.
These will most likely employ "Delayed Payment Dates" being two NY days following each Valuation Date. The market is still working this out.

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IRD members,

Thank you for your time and insight in today's call.  Here is the adjusted proposal following the remarks made in the call.
I will also get back to the group (probably next week, as our documentation expert is out this week) on the 2 other follow-ups noted:
(i) confirm the ETA for the Brazil CDI template and see if we can get a draft version of it, and (ii) confirm that in practice the certain date will be 1 business day before settlement date.


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Guy Gurden has pointed out that the proposed time for this call clashes with an OTCDerivNet meeting on Tuesday, so I propose to re-schedule to:

      *Wednesday 30* July at 0900 New York/1400 London.

(In fact, this is the time slot we should be using for IRD-WG meetings in general).

Agenda as before.

Apologies for any inconvenience.

Best regards,

Harry McAllister
Chair, IRD-WG


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I would like to call a meeting of the Interest Rates Working Group for next Tuesday 29 July, at 0900 New York/1400 London.

Agenda

   Proposal on Fixing Date Schedule extension to NonDeliverableSettlement
   provisions (Pierre Lamy, Goldman Sachs)
   AOB

Please see proposal materials, attached.

I appreciate that this is relatively short notice, however this is our best opportunity to discuss the proposal from Goldman Sachs in the short term (I am on vacation the following week, beginning 4 August).
I would be grateful if you could indicate your availability to attend Tuesday's call in advance.

Call in details to be notified.

Best regards,

Harry McAllister
Chair, IRD-WG

Fixed Income Architecture
BNP Paribas
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Harry,


Goldman Sachs would like to propose an extension to the NDS clause to provide the ability to support a schedule of fixing dates.


<<NDS Extension - Valuation Date.doc>>


Can you please let us know whether this could be discussed in a very near future, as we have an urgent implementation need to align our confirmation process with what is currently the most common practice.


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